26.08.2007

VanceS contributed 183 messages, 10 emotes, 7 private messages during 133 minutes. 2007.08.26 04:53:46 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. JeffC joined the room. EBobB joined the room. EBobB: Hello Vance and Jeff. VanceS: hi there VanceS claps and waves (jumps) VanceS wonders if he can be seen EBobB: Hi Vance I was multitasking...I see you. VanceS busies himself with knitting VanceS: oh, hi EBobB: I had one of those ...."just had to finish it moments" VanceS: understand VanceS: np EBobB: Are you in A.D this morning? VanceS: have you seen wikiuniversity VanceS: yeah, in AD EBobB: Not recently, Vance....I didnt know when youyr class starts. VanceS: Sept 10 VanceS: visit my website at http://www.vancestevens.com VanceS: and my activities are up there near the top JeffC: what are you finishing bob? VanceS: or http://www.vancestevens.com/papers and you see all my presentations listed chronologically VanceS: including courses EBobB: Jeff, I am wrestling with the Joomla Devils this morning. VanceS: sounds like they infected your sleep VanceS: those dreams where you keep waking up trying to hold that solution (too late, gone .. back to sleep, look for it) EBobB: Well, I finally had to quit trying to understand everything all at once, and go back to dealing with one element at a time. EBobB: Things are actually going much better now, but I have so much to look it beyond my current level of understanding. VanceS: i thought you said you were multitasking EBobB: Well, I was....I had one eye on this chat box, and one on revising a page on the Joomla, and one on my morning emails. EBobB: Wait....thats too many eyes. VanceS: no wonder VanceS: I'm doing that too but on two computers EBobB: What were you referring to at WikiUniversity. VanceS: when I saw it it just reminded me of elder uni EBobB: I only have one computer turned on this morning. EBobB: Actually, WikiU will likely be a subject for a later Knowplace session. VanceS: it looks kind of neat EBobB: It is and it is growing. VanceS: would you like to give me some feedback on my pageflakes? EBobB: Sure...where at. VanceS: http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 RitaZ joined the room. RitaZ: Hi, gentlemen! JeffC waves to Rita VanceS: hi gentlerita JeffC: so... pageflakes... yet another place i need to set up shop? VanceS: I was just showing the guys http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 RitaZ: what a pleasure to be here surrounded by three genltlemen! ;-) JeffC: brb...have to renew a couple of groups i moderate here. JeffC left the room. NinaTL joined the room. VanceS: I think you scared Jeff away there Rita VanceS: lol RitaZ: lol VanceS: Hi Nina RitaZ hugs Nina NinaTL hugs vance, Rita and Elderbob JeffC joined the room. EBobB: Hi Rita NinaTL: Hi jeff MaryanneB joined the room. JeffC: hi nina EBobB: Hi Ninna EBobB: Hi Maryanne NinaTL: Actually I am going to eat breakfast now and I will be back in about 20 minutes VanceS waves, hugs, as appropriate NinaTL: Hi Maryanne!!!!!!!! DennisOl joined the room. MaryanneB: Hi everyone. NinaTL: Hi Dennis! RitaZ: thats what I've just done, Nina :-) NinaTL: Be back very soon EBobB: Vance are you loading something into pageflakes right now? VanceS: ok Nina, hi Dennis NinaTL: I will leave the chat open so I can get the chatlog later but I am afk EBobB: Hi Dennis VanceS: no, oh, maybe it's trying to open videos DennisOl: Hi, Nina, Vance, Maryanne, Rita, EB. VanceS: it's a multimedia presentation RitaZ: hi, Dennis! DennisOl: Abrazos! EBobB: No error was on my end....I see it now. VanceS: looking at http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 VanceS: I'm wondering if you folks can figure it out and maybe give me feedback VanceS: how to improve VanceS: (work in progress) RitaZ: nice environment, Vance..., first time there? VanceS . o O ( how did she know .. ?? ) EBobB: My first thought,  Vance, is that your presentation of the videos here limits the size of the view screen. VanceS: I can't figure out how to resize those windows EBobB: You can double click them to got to YouTube and see the full screen but here, I only see a half screen. EBobB: Part of it gets cut off. VanceS: yeah, should be a scroll bar EBobB: Does page flikes gice you an oppoortunity to control the size of that window. RitaZ: watching the video VanceS: so maybe have a link option VanceS: I couldn't find a resize VanceS: looked all over MaryanneB: I'm checking it out too. EBobB: Probab;ly buried in the CSS since they all look alike. VanceS: maybe it's because there are three columns and it likes to line things up EBobB: Can you change your format to a two columne format? VanceS: good thought EBobB: Youo might try that or you miight link to a pop  up window just for the video.... EBobB: I dont use pageflakeks so I dont know what its capabilities are. VanceS: pop up, now that might work EBobB: The scrolll bars work, but they still only show part of the film. EBobB: People with wider displays might also see more of the box. VanceS: i have a wide one at home, still truncated MaryanneB: I only see part of the video on my screen too. EBobB: But if you use pop ups, you need to remind others to turn off their pop up control for your site. VanceS: how about what I'm trying to get across there VanceS: oh, btw, the 'paper' is a mess right now MaryanneB: Technically, I don't know enougth to be of help.  Sorry.  But I love these Craft Show videos! VanceS: just stuff thrown under topics VanceS: you'd be ideal for feedback Maryanne VanceS: it's for the eurocall virtual strand VanceS: THey invited three people to prepare presentations VanceS: but it turns out you don't have to 'give' your presentation VanceS: delegates are supposed to 'read' it beforehand VanceS: and when you go on live, they discuss it with you MaryanneB: Ok.  Do you want me to read all the pages? VanceS: so it occurred to me it didn't have to be linear VanceS: well, if someone told you here's my presentation (as I'm sort of doing) VanceS: what do you think?  Make any sense? RitaZ: what about the Blogger video, Vance, cant watch it MaryanneB: I'll keep looking at the pages. VanceS: anything I can do to improve it? VanceS: where is the blogger video, Rita? EBobB: I like the idea of an interactive presentation. EBobB: or even better, a collaborative real time presentation VanceS: I think I'll open the wiki up to everyone MaryanneB: Rita, do you mean the one on the first page becauwe if opens for me. RitaZ: yeah, Marianne EBobB: people in the audience call out their favorite web element while you put in on the page flake. RitaZ: I like the ease of navigation, Vance VanceS: at the 'event' Sept 8 I will meet delegates for an hour in text chat VanceS: I plan to run a skype webcast simultaneously VanceS: so it would be like this VanceS: as we do in tapped in VanceS: except some could be in skype VanceS: or listening on worldbridges RitaZ: Vance, the Blogger video on the first page, on the right, then thers another one on Web2.0 tab, wont open either VanceS: so yes, I could fiddle with pageflakes if called on VanceS: people could play with the wiki too, live as it wer VanceS: I plan to have the wiki, the pageflake, and the digital 'paper' all have the same topics EBobB: Can you put RSS tickers anywhere, to show how immediate change can be registered? VanceS: yes, good idea NinaTL: I'm back! EBobB: I noticed a ticker on one of your webpages......it kept changing while I was watching it. VanceS: Stephen Downes ticker from Edu_RSS EBobB: Somewhere, I recall a del.icio.us real time ticker  that noted every addition to del.icio.us as it occured. VanceS: I can put that here EBobB: Yes, it was the stepen downes. VanceS: neat, can you locate it ebob VanceS . o O ( just keep calling em out, I'll hack em in ) EBobB: It was about half way through the front page of one of your personal sites. VanceS: I mean the delicious one EBobB: Also, since your cluster map is an HTML embed, you can probably change the size in that box. EBobB: make it fill the box. VanceS: yeah, I was thinking to put it in a table and put something else in the other half of hte table VanceS: I can do that now VanceS gets busy EBobB: Another think I just noted, is that there are no links to the actual websites that you are  displaying. VanceS: true, that's kind of the nature of page flakes VanceS: but there are links back at the 'paper' VanceS: and the wiki EBobB: I was going to see if Technorati has a tcker, but the technorati icon does not link to technorati? EBobB: You might look at IGoogle and see if that is not automatic....or maybe protopage. NinaTL: Can somebody put up the link to Vance's page that everyone is looking at again? VanceS: http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 RitaZ: http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 EBobB: I just checked I google, but it only gives direct links back to some items....not all....it links to anything google, and then beyond that you are limited to the way the widgets work. EBobB: Some link, some dont. DennisOl left the room (signed off). VanceS: I'm trying to get the edurss feed to work here NinaTL: Vance, can I add myself to your ClustrMap? VanceS: hey nina, you should be added shortly RitaZ: Im trying to do the same but cant for some reason, Nina MaryanneB: Vance, the page called web.2.0 is a little sparse.  What else do you planto put these? NinaTL: It's automatic then VanceS: it tracks where your IP address is NinaTL: OK RitaZ: ok, thanks, V NinaTL: I just added a Bravenet map to my class wiki VanceS: thx marianne, some illustrative examples of web 2.0 i guess NinaTL: I have been having problems getting Frappr maps to work for me VanceS: had't got to it obviously, what would work here VanceS: maybe I'll try a bravenet map VanceS: our frappr map has just lost a lot of pics NinaTL: You don't see the map on the wiki (:-( )--just a link or button which makes it pop up VanceS: on which wiki NinaTL: And the placement of the dot or icon is not by zip code, you just put yourself on willy nilly NinaTL: http://umei005.pbwiki.com NinaTL: I want my students to put themselves on it NinaTL: I just created that wiki, there is basically nothing there yet NinaTL: just playing around! EBobB: Here is my Igoogle.http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en  You can click around on the headings of the boxes ans see how they link to the actual sites. MoiraH joined the room. NinaTL: Vance, are you planning on changing the videos on this page or leaving these up? NinaTL: Bonjour, ma petite! NinaTL kisses Mora on both cheeks MoiraH: Bonhour everybody :-) NinaTL: *Moira MoiraH: franglais ;-) RitaZ: Hi, Moi! NinaTL: Vance, how much can you put on a page like this? ClaireB joined the room. MoiraH: Hi Rita, Va RitaZ: take a look here, Moi, we are all watching it http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 NinaTL hugs Claire ClaireB: hi guys MoiraH: Vance, Bob, Nina, Jeff and Maryanne ClaireB hugs all MoiraH: Hi Claire RitaZ hugs Clarita VanceS: hi all MoiraH: OK Rita MaryanneB: Vance, on the Writing matirix page, the llink to the wriing project at wikispaces doesn't open for me. EBobB: Hello, Moira. VanceS: can you give me the url of the link not working? VanceS: sorry of the PAGE where the link is not working? MoiraH: Hi Bob NinaTL: How does Pageflakes differ from Protopage--or are they not the same thing at all? ThomasLev joined the room. MaryanneB: http://writing matrix.wikispaces.com NinaTL hugs Tom MaryanneB: http://writingmatrix.wikispaces.com EBobB: Nina, I think they are all variations of the same thing. ThomasLev: hugs returned! EBobB: Sort of an instant portal. MoiraH: I can't remembe who but there was an example of someone using protopage for their course curriculum and it was really smart - this looks good vance RitaZ: can you make it your default page, I mean Pageflakes (sorry if its been said before) NinaTL: Has anyone played with both and has a preference? MoiraH: Hi Tom RitaZ: I have protopage, like it NinaTL: It looks really nice! Makes me want to try it too. NinaTL: Can we have a link to your protopage, Rita? VanceS: if you refresh, can you see the ticker now? ClaireB: hi tom RitaZ: this one looks more comprehensive, with tabbing NinaTL: I love the way you can organize stuff into tabbed pages in Pageflakes--that is so cool! MoiraH: what I don't like on this Vanc eis that the RSS in Plain English video palys audio immediately RitaZ: http://www.protopage.com/ritazeinstejer VanceS: that annoys me too moira ThomasLev: Hi Moira! Hi Claire! Hi everyone ClaireB: yeah moira, i hate it too when media is played automatically NinaTL: Yes, I agree, Moira--you have to start watching it before you have taken a look around RitaZ: hi, Tom! NinaTL: unlike the other videos ThomasLev: brb ClaireB gives tom a hug RitaZ: I agree with Moira's query VanceS: they didn't include an embed on their page NinaTL: brb VanceS: it's not utube VanceS: how can I shut it off, any idea? ClaireB: well youtube also starts automatically, which i don't like ClaireB: rita what is the password on your page/ MoiraH: hmm, I embedded it on my multiply site - let me check EBobB: Look at the HTML on the embeds for any of those videos and it should give you an option to not play automatically. EBobB: I think iti is a "true" or "False" setting. ClaireB: guys, last week here someone was asking me about the keynote speakers for worldcall, and now the names are public ClaireB: Vera Menezes, Brazil ClaireB: Stephen Bax, UK ClaireB: Trude Heift, Canada ClaireB: Katsuhiko Shirai, Japan ClaireB: so you see, there is someone from South America NinaTL: Rita I need a password to enter MoiraH: <brWikis in Plain English plus <a href="http://www.commoncraft.com/transcript-wikis-plain-english-video"Transcript</a<b<object height="350" width="425"<param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-dnL00TdmLY"<param name="wmode" value="transparent"<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-dnL00TdmLY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="350" width="425"</object MoiraH: and it doesn't play automatically MoiraH: hope I got all that NinaTL: It seems that Pageflakes is much more comprehensive than Protopage--more flexible NinaTL: vance, is it easy to work with? VanceS: very easy VanceS: here's the code for the video I have RitaZ: I agree, Nina, bit more complex to handle as well VanceS: <OBJECT id=showplayer type=application/x-shockwave -flash height=412 width=680 data=http://www.blip.tv/scripts/flash/showplayer.swf?autostart=true&amp;enablejs=true&amp;feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthecommoncraftshow%2Eblip%2Etv%2Frss&amp;file=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblip%2Etv%2Frss%2Fflash%2F209879&amp;showplayerpath=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblip%2Etv%2Fscripts%2Fflash%2Fshowplayer%2Eswf allowfullscreen="true"</OBJECT JeffC heads back to bed (still only 6a.m. here)... i'll have to check out pageflakes later. ClaireB: bye jeff RitaZ: bye, jeff NinaTL: Have a good week, Jeff EBobB: Change "Autostart" True to False and see if that works. NinaTL: I guess I never realized Jeff was on the west coast! MoiraH: the 'true' is at the end, right Bob?  So that could be set to false? VanceS: yes VanceS: hawkeye EBobB: Try it and see. MoiraH: go ahed Vance :-) MoiraH: ahead AmandaB joined the room. MaryanneB: I find it annoying that when a link doesn't open as on the Multilieracies page, when I click on the John Udell screencast link, aftegetting the error page, when I click on the left arrow key to get back to the previous page, it takes me to the very first PageFlakes page. EBobB: Be sure to refresh after your change. VanceS: doing that now ClaireB: hello amanda AmandaB: hi :) VanceS: how does the RSS ticker look, btw EBobB: By golly, I think it worked. VanceS: apart from the size problem NinaTL: Hi, Amanda MoiraH: yeehaa! ClaireB left the room (signed off). MoiraH: Hello Amanda AmandaB: hi everyone, this is my first time here, how do i find the virtual campus? VanceS: still waiting for mine EBobB: Well, I think your size problem can be edited there as well....by changing the size of the window to something smaller. ClaireB joined the room. ClaireB: browser crashed VanceS: I don't see a window resizer :-(( EBobB: In the HTML....Moira cited it earlier. MaryanneB: O.n the Multiliteracies page the Youtube video opens, but the other two URL's for the screencast and the vido on folksonomies don't ThomasLev: Amanda I believe this is a virtual campus ThomasLev: many rooms come out of this one AmandaB: okay, thanks VanceS: wait, change layout VanceS: found it NinaTL: Amanda, we are mostly ESL/EFL teachers around the world who come together here for a weekly chat MaryanneB: Hi Amanda,  what exactly are you looking for? EBobB: Currently you have a 350 x 425 space. NinaTL: You are welcome to stick around if you like! EBobB: and you need about half of that. AmandaB: i'm in a class and my teacher required us to sign up, i'm trying to find her office AmandaB: maybe i can just search for her name... EBobB: I seeI see THE EDU RSS ticker is working. VanceS: yaayy NinaTL: Click on Search, Amanda, and do a people search for her VanceS: what else was I s'pose to whang in there? NinaTL: Searcg is at the upper right MoiraH: On the pages using protopgage for this type of thing, I have liked the different colours for the different sections.  Being 'visual' I need that.  Looking at the very stylich and discrete pageflakes with yellow and discrete black text, I need it to hit me in the face with more colours or bold text - What do the others think? AmandaB: thanks everyone, i found her MoiraH: stylish AmandaB left the room. MaryanneB: Glad you were successful. RitaZ: you can also lick on the online tab and see if your teacher is online to find him/her RitaZ: Amanda RitaZ: ok VanceS licks online tab VanceS: hmm tasty EBobB: Your WIdth setting , at least on my screen should be 250 Pixels. MaryanneB: Yum! NinaTL: LOL MoiraH: can you make the title of your widgets in bold NinaTL: I don't understand about pixels.  Makes resizing photos challenging EBobB: However, Ideally, you should be able to set it to a perscentage.....say 100% inside that space and it will adjust to any screen. VanceS: you mean width of a column ebob? EBobB: No, just the width of the video screen. EBobB: I suspect the width of the columns is set in the  CSS for the page. VanceS: incidentally you can pick from various themes on pageflakes (moira) EBobB: THe HTML will be much easier to manipulate....at least for me. EBobB: The themes are all done in CSS. EBobB: Most of the boxes will have both CSS and HTML resources. VanceS: so you figure if I change the size in the embed code the result will be rduced video? EBobB: If you can ALSTER THE HTML, you can do just about anything....if you mess with the CSS you will get changes in every box. EBobB: Yes, vance, that should work. EBobB: The embed  code probably tells the size of the screen,. ClaireB: you guys are so **technical** this morning NinaTL: Yes, it's a bit intimidating for us nontechies RitaZ: yes, Clari....;-) ThomasLev: we could put our own themes in the css NinaTL: but it's good to learn something new ClaireB: i know what they're talking about (it's not like we can't do it!) ClaireB: the question is, do we want to??? VanceS: just do it! NinaTL: I can't do it--I don't know html beyond italics! MoiraH: I'm still learning with css and it is sooo tricky and changes just appear all over sometimes VanceS: my videos aren't loadingit ClaireB: i hate computers VanceS: they're working for you? NinaTL: I would like to be able to--sometimes I want to change something and I can't find what it is I want to change in that sea of code NinaTL: haha Claire NinaTL: I don't even know what css is! ClaireB: style sheets VanceS: cascading style sheet ThomasLev: I don't understand css either- but I always wanted to RitaZ sympathizes with Nina ClaireB: they are cool because once you set them, all the text will be in that style and you don't have to tell it every time VanceS: basically you create one in a css file VanceS: then load it in the head VanceS: and if you don't over-ride it ClaireB: it's fairly easy to do in dreamweaver RitaZ: some of this is Chinese to me :-( VanceS: it sets elements like all the <h1 tabs to appear certain ways VanceS: you can create one easily in Front page ClaireB: but front page sux ClaireB: big time VanceS: true MoiraH: like the spelling Claire ;-) VanceS: so feedback please ClaireB: on what? VanceS: do the videos work now? MoiraH: my feedba VanceS: the lefever one appears but does not start? MoiraH: my feeedback is that it is too yellow VanceS: i have to ask because of firewall and bandwidth here VanceS: I can't see them VanceS: thank you moira (too yellow !!0 MoiraH: the widget titles should be in a different background colour - pale grey for example with bold black test VanceS: good thought VanceS: I'll look into fiddling that VanceS: I resized the commoncraft one, does it still work? (refresh)\ ClaireB: what is the url? RitaZ: The RSS video seems to work only if you want to now ;-), but the blogger video is still blurred, wont open my end VanceS: http://www.pageflakes.com/vancestevens/13493912 VanceS: which is the blogger video? RitaZ: Michael Wresch´s MoiraH: A silly question - what is your backup plan should this not work on the day? ClaireB: it looks like you are getting ready for coleraine VanceS: yeah, this is my presentation VanceS: its given out to delegates before hand ClaireB: that  is not a silly q VanceS: they are supposed to 'read' it ClaireB: not a silly question at all, moira EBobB: I suspect the blogger video fuzziness has more to do with the video itself than the settings. VanceS: they are expecting linear text obviously ThomasLev: I get "problem occurred while loading site" on both mac/ie and mac/safari VanceS: On the day, I meet in text chat with them and discuss it EBobB: Probably lies in the tool that was used to capture the AVI. MoiraH: so you're not there f2f? VanceS: however I'll be entertaining on skype via worldbridges meantime VanceS: no, Virtual Strand EBobB: Vance that is another issue....Loading your video heavy page ClaireB: the page works for me on mac safari and mac firefox -- have not tried on ie EBobB: With the display of these videos, you are going to have a bandwidth hungry page. VanceS: it worked fine for me last night (video heavy = 2 videos ClaireB: moira, the virtual strand of eurocall is absolutly free! VanceS: yes it is EBobB: You might do better by putting in links to separate pages for the videos. EBobB: Then they only load on command. VanceS: but I want them to appear here in pageflakes ClaireB: aren't the videos just links? EBobB: It would not be as likely to overtax somoenes browser or machine or connection. VanceS: no they actually embed and play RitaZ: need to leave, guys, will go back to this in more detail later ThomasLev: see ya Rita! VanceS: ok Rita, you'll be tested on the details later EBobB: Think Dialup and  how long it is going to take for dialup to even begin to show a page with those videos on it. NinaTL: Buena semana, Rita MoiraH: Bye Rita :-)) RitaZ: thanks, Nina, you too EBobB: BYe rita VanceS: that's probably what ]s happening to me now RitaZ hugs all and leaves... VanceS: the videos haven't turned up RitaZ left the room (signed off). VanceS: Not sure if it's the settings changes EBobB: Whoever was getting the error page....you might find out what kind of mahine and connection that they have. VanceS: I resized the commoncraft one, does it play at the smaller size? EBobB: Yes the common craft one is now a much smaller screen. VanceS: and it plays ok? EBobB: But again, you may want to check it out on a variety of browsers and on a variety of screen sizes. EBobB: or you could shoot for the most common. EBobB: or, again put them on a separate page..... VanceS: right now just want to ascertain that it plays VanceS: this is kind of like a poster MoiraH: Arrgghh  - the wiki video is back to automtic play :-( EBobB: You could link to a google docs page....show the video on a large screen, and add immediate chat, resources, links etc. VanceS: oh, let me check that EBobB: Moira, I note that it is Javascript.  Do you think that might be what causes it to go back to the original setting. VanceS: checking the code, autostart is still false ThomasLev: for me, mac/ie and mac/safari still can't load it, can't load one item ThomasLev: maybe my bandwidth is too small MoiraH: one question - ever thought of getting an ad(free wikispace?  Looks much better ;-) VanceS: kind of that way with me too I think, either that or IT is playing footsie with videos from youtube etc EBobB: Vance , RSS in Plain English is also available at YouTube if that helps. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=RSS+in+Plain+English&search=Search VanceS: yea, I'll try that ClaireB: oh, i thought that you were just linking to them ClaireB: bye rita VanceS: embedding them MoiraH: and social networking http://moirahunter.multiply.com/ NinaTL: I have a question for you guys--did you know that FastStone Screen Capture is no longer free? ClaireB: have you guys used http://www.vconvert.net/ for converting videos from youtube? ClaireB: it works better than the site i used to use NinaTL: When I tried to put it on my new computer, all I got was a 30 day trial! EBobB: WHy do you convert them Claire? VanceS: I'm noticing a download this video popup at YouTube EBobB: But that is just an option, Vance. EBobB: YOu dont have to take it. ClaireB: because many times my favorite vidoes on youtube are taken down. now, whenver i really like something, i download it so that I'll have it no matter what EBobB: You can download it to your mahcine. ClaireB: i meant convert and download, sorry ThomasLev left the room (signed off). EBobB: For instance, gyou might download them because of what Claire just said. EBobB: Not a bad idea Claire. ClaireB: at least 5 of my favorites have disappeared from my playlist, so it's a good thing that i downloaded them ClaireB: sometimes they are re-uploaded though EBobB: Can you not find them in the Internet archives. ThomasLev joined the room. EBobB: Google-Youtube is going through a lot of changes.... ClaireB: ah, but that would be work. :-) and besides, sometimes i use them in class and i don't want to depend on the internet ClaireB: wb tom VanceS: ah it seems youtube is being blocked here VanceS: I'll have to work from home EBobB: Yea, I can see downloading them to a disc or machine to use in a class where Ididnt want to be online. VanceS: either that or there is a network slowdown EBobB: What about Google, Vance? ClaireB: also, sometimes there is something that I might want to use in a presentation where there is no internet VanceS: google video? EBobB: Google owns YouTUbe. VanceS: I think it's network traffice here VanceS: oh, no google is working VanceS: both were working earlier VanceS: i think there is something amiss with our network EBobB: Many of the videos are not accessible on either site. EBobB: Uh oh....Vance has finally broken the internet.....I kept telling you to stop messing with things. MoiraH: lol ClaireB: tsk tsk vance VanceS: it must have been that parameter I set to false EBobB: I meant many ARE accessible at either site. ThomasLev: you set up a false reality ThomasLev: it crashed our machines ClaireB: poor vance; we shouldn't pick on you VanceS: !!! VanceS :-)) ThomasLev: you probably set OUR parameters to false ClaireB: but it is so much fun EBobB: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=RSS+in+Plain+English&hl=en ClaireB: my parameters have always been false EBobB: Same videos through google. ClaireB: yes but for vance, neither is working VanceS: I'll try it VanceS: rejected by the filter VanceS: but I was getting both Wresch and LeFever earlier ClaireB: have you guys seen this rather rude site: it's for anti-social networking: http://www.arsebook.org/ EBobB: Vance here is another though.....expand your site using this german platform.....jmdo.  Here is a pge I made using it. ThomasLev: cute! EBobB: http://elderbob.jimdo.com/ MoiraH: Another question Vance - if you are basing your presentation on Pageflakes, are you not worried that certain online people in the audience will not 'zap' or 'surf' all over the place whilst you are talking or is this no problem for you?  Another silly question ;-) EBobB: You can see it has a page for videos and the photo page, allows you to use your buzznet pages as a slide show. EBobB: Very nice ajax usage. VanceS: they are supposed to zap and surf before I meet them online VanceS: in the online discussion we do just that, discuss the page MoiraH: ok, so all pre-conference - oK VanceS: in Blobber text chat, and in a skype webcast BjB joined the room. ClaireB: hi bj~ ClaireB hugs bj ClaireB: ebob, where in texas do you live? NinaTL hugs BJ MoiraH: Blobber still only works with IE, right?  Or have they improved since I last used them? ThomasLev: Hi Bj! BjB hugs and waves. Hi, everyone! MoiraH: Hi Bj VanceS: don't know Moira, they seem to be text based at that conf EBobB: Claire, I am just outside of Dallas. NinaTL left the room. EBobB: Grand P rairie, Texas EBobB: Hi BJ. VanceS: I like Jimdo ClaireB: ah. i'll be going to san antonio in november for the actfl conference EBobB: Happy Belated birthday. ClaireB: who has a birthday? VanceS: so it gives you a left frame for widgits mabye? EBobB: San Antone is about 6 hours away. ClaireB: yes i know ClaireB left the room (signed off). EBobB: But a great place to visit. VanceS: and you play with the central frame NinaTL joined the room. NinaTL: Sorry guyes, just stepped out to my NLD group ClaireB joined the room. EBobB: Sorry, Vance, are you talking about JIMDo. VanceS: how is that going Nina? VanceS: eYep EBobB: The layouts in jmdo can be changed. EBobB: Widgets on the left and menus on the right. NinaTL: OK, thanks for asking vance--I've had a couple of chats MoiraH: why do you specifically like JIMDo, Bob? NinaTL: There are 6 members now EBobB: ALl the pages can also be changed, taken away or added to. NinaTL: (not counting you!) MaryanneB: Can anyone tell me if the transcripts of private conversations as well as this main one are sent to our mailboxes. NinaTL: I will have another chat soon but will not make it public VanceS: private as well EBobB: Moira, I like it because it is self contained. NinaTL: Yes, Maryanne they are MaryanneB: Thanks MoiraH: meaning, Bob? EBobB: I also like the Ajax elements like photos. EBobB: and the videos seem to play on a large screen here. EBobB: fast to load, and its not on my server. EBobB: The self contained.....well from my portal page I can refer to it as if it was just another aspect of my portal. VanceS is rapidly becoming vancestevens.jimdo.com EBobB: I have one for arts and crafts, one for my portfolio, and I am planning on creating others. EBobB: Unfortunately, I am going to have to pay at some point. ClaireB: yes, your page is there, vance EBobB: It can also be password protected. MoiraH: I'm lookig at several tools at the moment to put some courses up on and I've been looking at Wikidot, Netcipia, and Editme EBobB: I will have to check those out Morias. EBobB: Moria....sorry about the spelling. MoiraH: Any experience of these, you folks? EBobB: Moira EBobB: I dont recognize any of those. MoiraH: Wikidot is LOVELY VanceS: show us EBobB: Mainly Wiki? EBobB: http://www.wikidot.com/ MoiraH: for a wiki but is still a baby with enormous promise- but has no WYSIWYG which my learners need EBobB: http://www.netcipia.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome MoiraH: Netcipia is Xwiki and has good permissions MoiraH: Dekiwiki seems to be THE one at the poment but without hosting EBobB: http://www.editme.com/ MoiraH: opensource EBobB: http://wiki.opengarden.org/Deki_Wiki MoiraH: editme is an entreprise one and costs but looks good MoiraH: dilemmas dilemmas EBobB: Aint that the truth. EBobB: As soon as you start to use one, you find two others you like better. ClaireB: so many tools and so little time EBobB: Sometimes, I think Vances plain old HTML pages are the best. ClaireB: (as we used to say about men!) MoiraH: I am looking for a cool wiki but where learners don't feel overcome with the technology and where the settings allow page locks, page permissions ClaireB: no, not vance's pages, because he uses FrontPage, lol MoiraH: yes, but I need a collaborative part but where synchronous editing can happen EBobB: Yea, but it the SAME OLD front page. ClaireB: good point, elderbob MoiraH: Yes Claire, so may tools EBobB: and it has forced him to learn HTML. EBobB: and I think that is real important. VanceS: i don't use FP if I can help it ClaireB: knowing a little html is always a good idea, in my opinion ClaireB: good for u, vance EBobB: The latest iteration of Fantastico on most web servers allows for online editing.... ClaireB: here we go again: what is fantastico EBobB: As long as you can do the HTML, it doesn much matter what was used to put the page together. MoiraH: it's the lovely button that makes things easy ;-) ClaireB: no, because FP adds so many extraneous tags EBobB: Fantastico is a Website frontend.control panel. ClaireB: bloats the filesize MaryanneB: Claire, have you tried Google Docs with your students.  Not cool, but easy. ClaireB: like XOOM? EBobB: Fantastico also contains a nice installer program ClaireB: i have tried it myself but not with my students ClaireB: I don't teach a language, so not that much opportunity EBobB: Well, I hate to bug out...but my wife is calling me to breakfast. MaryanneB: Claire, what do you teach? EBobB: I suspect, I had better bail o ut. EBobB: Ill see you all online. VanceS: I'm about to start a chinese lesson http://www.study.com MaryanneB: Good to see you, Bob. ThomasLev: take care Bob! EBobB: See you later. EBobB: bye all. ClaireB: i run a lab, and in the fall i teach a low-level linguistics class, and in the spring i teach a grad level CALL course ClaireB: bye bob JeffC left the room (signed off). MoiraH: Yep, me too, off to a kite festival :-)) MaryanneB: I have to go clean house. It's on the market. NinaTL: Maryanne, I thought you were in Buffalo? Or was that last weekend? NinaTL: or next weekend? ThomasLev: Good luck Maryanne! MaryanneB: I'm going to Buffalo next weekend. MoiraH: Lovely seeing you all and see you amybe next week :-) ClaireB: bye bye NinaTL: Oh, right MaryanneB: Thanks Thomas. ClaireB: i have to go too -- real life is intervening NinaTL: Well, everyone, have a good week MaryanneB: Ciao all. ThomasLev: We're hitting the beach NinaTL: For me it's the start of classes at UMd VanceS: thanks for your feedback ClaireB left the room (signed off). MoiraH: Bye all!! ThomasLev: bye all! NinaTL: I am playing with Pageflakes now vance ThomasLev left the room (signed off). MoiraH: Bye NinaTL: Maybe next week I will have something ready to share NinaTL: Bonne semaine tous NinaTL left the room (signed off). EBobB left the room (signed off). VanceS left the room (signed off). 2007.08.26 07:07:16 Signoff